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Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:32:00 -
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Congrats on the FW changes. I think they are great.
The datacores changes are not.
Datacores belong where they are, in R&D corps. They have nothing to do with factional warfare. This is just the old CCP way of thinking: Put a band aid on a problem that we will still have to fix later on. The problem with stems from the problems with T2 production and the lottery. That is what needs to be addressed. Adding datacores to LP stores and lowering the payout will simply raise invention costs and thus again raise prices on T2 items. Wasn't one of the main points of invention to lower prices? Recently prices on many T2 goods are almost at the same point of pre invention days. Many are higher. Just look a drones. Yes this has to do with PI and other factors (which are not problems, don't get me wrong), but why raise them more instead of addressing the real problem. You can find other ways to make FW LP stores more enticing besides screwing over people who have run missions to get access to good R&D agents and invested skill training and time into them. Besides the passive income from these datacores is not that great. I have been running agents for 5 years or so, and only cashed out 2 twice per agent or so (I have one I think i have never cashed out). The other day I calculated how much I would get by cashing out and selling all the cores and it was about 1.7 bil. If you think that is a lot for that amount of time, well we are not talking about the same game. And that is 5 agents, 4 of which are mechanical engineering.
And I have to add that it is astounding you would add cores to FW LP stores, and not R&D corp LP stores. Which reminds me, what ever happened to the special decryptors that were supposed to be in R&D LP stores years ago? Now is as good a time to mention them as any.
Don't go back to your old ways CCP. |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:59:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:gwabakk wrote: No-one is using research agents because they "give a free income stream". The threshold to gain access to those agents is too high, the "free" profit too little. Not sure what game you are playing but in EVE-Online that is exactly why people use research agents. In fact most people have research agents because you could easily fund an account through PLEX on datacores alone. Those days are long gone but all those people kept those accounts or just reactivate them one month per year to gain passive income. You might use research agents to fund your personal t2 invention or whatever but I know people with huge datacore farms of many accounts and they gain a lot of passive income for little work. This is the majority of people using research agents. No amount of whining will change this fact. Now you have to either interact with other people (gasp) or pvp in FW (double gasp) to gain lucrative items. Interaction and pvp in my EVE? Sounds cool.
Incorrect. RPs do not accumulate on inactive accounts.
I am all for interaction to get DCs. But the current daily missions are untenable with your R&D agents 20-30 jumps away from each other. If DCs were in R&D LP stores, well wouldn't we all be running missions for those corps again? Also the daily R&D missions could show up in your journal like storyline missions. That way you know if your agent wants some trit, or widgets or whatever in advance, so you don't have to go there and then go get it. Though these missions need a revamp in general. The traveling is so brutal it is not worth doing them most of the time. Or add storyline missions to R&D corps (which have a severe lack of them, you will get a storyline agent from a different corp contacting you in many regions) that give out DCs as rewards.
Let me also clarify, getting rid of the multipliers is a great idea. Consistency is good. But doubling the price and moving cores into FW is not. Also, consider releasing level 5 R&D agents if you are going to increase the cost. That way you reward the people who have worked on their standings. I know they are in a database somewhere, I have seen them on the test server before. |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:46:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Machiko Agota wrote:Ok, I can understanding linking Datacores to the LP store...but why the Factional Warfare LP store!? I don't see the connection. Unless the goal it to force more players into FW  ... MA So that you have to haul them from low sec.
Many R&D agents are already in low sec. That doesn't justify DCs in FW LP stores.
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Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:16:00 -
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The major problem with datacores is not getting rid of the passive income (which is overstated), it is putting them in FW instead of adding them to R&D corp LP stores, where the people who have been running missions for these corps already to get them can. This is purely a move to cross populate areas of the game to make CCPs failed mechanic of FW work, instead of simply fixing FW and letting people try it. They are smacking R&D players in the face by devaluing all their work, as opposed to rewarding them for it. All the people celebrating will get their turn soon enough when the area of the game they have put work into gets the rug pulled from under it. This is poor game design and a punishment to players for CCPs mistakes.
The old CCP is still here. Don't be fooled. |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:30:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey people, here are some answers for you. * THE DATACORES, IT'S OVER 9000?! Good point regarding mechanical engineering datacores, we will most likely spread this type out to all factions before release. Regarding the change itself, we will not actively adjust the RP amounts you have prior or after release. Which means players cashing in datacores that were worth 150 RP for 100 RP after release will get an advantage. Since the field multipliers are being removed, this change also means players will receive them slower, for 100 and 150 RP fields. But, since all of them now require 100 RP to be exchanged, it will be pretty balanced in the long run. R&D skills will unfortunately not be reimbursed as this profession is not going away - it will most likely be looked into and changed into a more active state separately in the future not to abandon players that invested time and effort into it. Hope that helps! 
Thank you for taking the time to answer player questions. However by giving DCs to FW you are in fact abandoning the players you say you will not be. |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:36:00 -
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Vanessa Vansen wrote:
It seems to me, like CCP cares too much about those ultra rich guys with T2 BPOs aka ISK BPOs but they don't give a **** about those pilots who really run the research.
Less Datacores means rising prices to invent, which move on to the market (I do not see R&D people running out to join FW corps). Higher market prices mean more profit for T2 BPO holders, for whom the price to build is not affected. That does not even consider things that there are no BPOs for. And with mechanical engineering RP cost doubling and how prevalent it is in T2 Manufacturing, well expect inflation. |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:40:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Sarinat Talen wrote:...Higher market prices mean more profit for T2 BPO holders.. I ran that scenario in my super-computer brain and came up with 'null'. Datacores are a drop in the ocean when it comes to invention .. the one linchpin that exists (Mech. Eng.) CCP has already said they want to spread around .. diluting any effect the change might have had in the first place. In short: One can quadruple datacore prices without affecting invention profits to any noticeable degree (unless things have changed a lot since I dabbled).
I think you are misunderstanding the so called "spread around."
Right now every faction can research in Mechanical Engineering. People in this thread were responding to the chart saying only Minmatar were going to get Mech Eng datacores in their FW LP store. Now said Mechanical Engineering datacores are going to double in LP price. That means from now on your research is going to net you half of what you get now. This means you will have to buy more cores instead of using your own. And frankly you can already invent faster than you can generate cores anyway.
So given the price of a mech eng core (280k low sell in Jita atm) that price will be added to more jobs. Any additional costs is an additional cost. The minimum for any invention job is 2 cores. That is more out of your wallet, which gets passed on to the consumer. Thus inventors sell at higher prices to make the same profit, and T2 BPO holders sell at the same higher price, because why would you sell at a lower price when you could sell higher?
Why did I even respond to that? |
Sarinat Talen
Celestial Arms Manufacturing and Operations
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:30:00 -
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Of the passive income of datacores really is a problem, just make them cost LPs and RPs at a ratio of 5:1 at an R&D corp. Instant active profession. |
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